From benski at winamp.com Mon May 2 12:09:32 2011 From: benski at winamp.com (Ben Allison) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:09:32 -0400 Subject: [ID3 Dev] New to the list In-Reply-To: References: <002401cc0667$dcc86320$96592960$@com> <20110429133727.GA27853@limey.net> Message-ID: <1464d29f830e416dd791f5425609b1b0.squirrel@mail.winamp.com> Besides the problem of modifying users' files to increment the playcount without explicit permission (something I agree with you 100% on, Scott), there is also the issue that the mapping of 1-5 stars with POPM values is very vague. In Winamp, we've been somewhat coerced into adopting the weird value ranges that Windows Media Player uses, as that is that is also the logic used by the Windows file explorer when displaying the rating column in the file view. -Ben Allison > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Ben Bennett wrote: > >> However... the players mostly don't use it. You should hound them to >> get it used. > > I believe rightly so. I don't think that a normal operation like playing > a file should trigger a potentially lossy (e.g. ID3v2.2 to ID3v2.4 > upgrade) action on a user's files. > > -Scott > > (to the mods, please just delete the earlier post saying something > similar, sent it from the wrong address) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From jaslane64 at yahoo.com Sat May 21 12:08:06 2011 From: jaslane64 at yahoo.com (John Slane) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 12:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ID3 Dev] FRANTS Message-ID: <64934.12302.qm@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> FRANTS http://christmaslightsevansville.com/llindex.php FRANTS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From fiji at limey.net Mon May 2 12:12:25 2011 From: fiji at limey.net (Ben Bennett) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:12:25 -0400 Subject: [ID3 Dev] New to the list In-Reply-To: <1464d29f830e416dd791f5425609b1b0.squirrel@mail.winamp.com> References: <002401cc0667$dcc86320$96592960$@com> <20110429133727.GA27853@limey.net> <1464d29f830e416dd791f5425609b1b0.squirrel@mail.winamp.com> Message-ID: <20110502191225.GA25170@limey.net> Could you post that weird mapping here please so that it is at least known in the archives... -ben On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 03:09:32PM -0400, Ben Allison wrote: > Besides the problem of modifying users' files to increment the playcount > without explicit permission (something I agree with you 100% on, Scott), > there is also the issue that the mapping of 1-5 stars with POPM values is > very vague. In Winamp, we've been somewhat coerced into adopting the > weird value ranges that Windows Media Player uses, as that is that is also > the logic used by the Windows file explorer when displaying the rating > column in the file view. > > -Ben Allison > > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Ben Bennett wrote: > > > >> However... the players mostly don't use it. You should hound them to > >> get it used. > > > > I believe rightly so. I don't think that a normal operation like playing > > a file should trigger a potentially lossy (e.g. ID3v2.2 to ID3v2.4 > > upgrade) action on a user's files. > > > > -Scott > > > > (to the mods, please just delete the earlier post saying something > > similar, sent it from the wrong address) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From benski at winamp.com Mon May 2 14:04:06 2011 From: benski at winamp.com (Ben Allison) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 17:04:06 -0400 Subject: [ID3 Dev] New to the list In-Reply-To: <20110502191225.GA25170@limey.net> References: <002401cc0667$dcc86320$96592960$@com> <20110429133727.GA27853@limey.net> <1464d29f830e416dd791f5425609b1b0.squirrel@mail.winamp.com> <20110502191225.GA25170@limey.net> Message-ID: <6e7ef0b351baadaaf520c89dd51a2984.squirrel@mail.winamp.com> 1 star: 1 (i think) 2 stars: 64 3 stars: 128 4 stars: 196 5 stars: 255 > Could you post that weird mapping here please so that it is at least > known in the archives... > > -ben > > On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 03:09:32PM -0400, Ben Allison wrote: >> Besides the problem of modifying users' files to increment the playcount >> without explicit permission (something I agree with you 100% on, Scott), >> there is also the issue that the mapping of 1-5 stars with POPM values >> is >> very vague. In Winamp, we've been somewhat coerced into adopting the >> weird value ranges that Windows Media Player uses, as that is that is >> also >> the logic used by the Windows file explorer when displaying the rating >> column in the file view. >> >> -Ben Allison >> >> > >> > On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Ben Bennett wrote: >> > >> >> However... the players mostly don't use it. You should hound them to >> >> get it used. >> > >> > I believe rightly so. I don't think that a normal operation like >> playing >> > a file should trigger a potentially lossy (e.g. ID3v2.2 to ID3v2.4 >> > upgrade) action on a user's files. >> > >> > -Scott >> > >> > (to the mods, please just delete the earlier post saying something >> > similar, sent it from the wrong address) >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org