From dykesa at gmail.com  Thu May  3 21:32:14 2012
From: dykesa at gmail.com (Alan Dykes)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 04:32:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [ID3 Dev] Re: Contact information for Eric Kemp
References: <CACCnszFnKqu4YYO8MOPZ0fiwurQECz=bPpgDiR8PiK79OC3ymw@mail.gmail.com> <CALF0saQ3ZuiKPEkna0saiMS-+LGb2oq=2rD5iUjzgZpLzVPmMw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJiH9S0D9vz3krGUe3MK7Cz1maShceSKVu6DVp1-3=5vT_CPXQ@mail.gmail.com> <CACCnszGU03b_e709z87nTm07xKG9v5f_-m=C2QrqB-2bsmEdMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20120504T062624-948@post.gmane.org>


Dan O'Neill <dano <at> id3.org> writes:

> 
> Hi All,Appreciate the feedback and support as always. Generally when I am 
approached regarding the history of tagging is related to an NPE [1] type of 
issue. I figure that if someone here has prior art references, good! The story 
from Jud was a good read and therefore a nice outcome.Now back to our regularly 
scheduled program.Best to all,dano[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-
practicing_entity


I don't know how to contact Eric but I do remember helping him (and not 
succeeding) try to figure it out on EFnet IRC when he came up with the idea of 
making a tag the size 128 bytes for it to not mess up the MP3 decoding.  I don't 
know how much help I'd be in any questioning but if its helpful, I can be 
contacted at dykesa at googlemail.com (gmail).

Alan



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From peter.siciliano at beatport.com  Tue May  1 09:00:52 2012
From: peter.siciliano at beatport.com (Peter Siciliano)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:00:52 -0600
Subject: [ID3 Dev] ID3 - Is this community still active?
Message-ID: <7B5406DB-FFC5-4063-B30A-742CC1A35F8A@beatport.com>

Hi ID3 Mailing list,

Is this community still active?

We are about to heavily utilize ID3v2.4 for a project currently in Alpha and would like to know if others still review and moderate this format.

I would also like to propose reviewing the v2.4 documentation to clean up some language now that time as dictated more clarity to some tag descriptions and irrelevance to others.

I will be pointing vendors and suppliers to this documentation in the coming months and would like it to be as simple as possible to understand how to use tags effectively.

++
Peter Siciliano | CTO
Beatport | Play with music
-----------------------------------------------
2399 Blake Street Suite 170
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From fchabloz at infomaniak.ch  Thu May  3 13:51:49 2012
From: fchabloz at infomaniak.ch (Francois Chabloz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 22:51:49 +0200
Subject: [ID3 Dev] id3v2.4 and Windows Media Player (WMP)
In-Reply-To: <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7B5406DB-FFC5-4063-B30A-742CC1A35F8A@beatport.com> <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D344FB0B-9E23-40D5-A9DD-FAA84FEA0B83@infomaniak.ch>

Hello all, 

I'm digging deep into id3 lately and can't make my mind about id3v2.4. Here's my understanding : 

- Windows Media Player 12 do not read 2.4.
- I'm not a fan of WMP12, but when targetting a large audience, WMP compatility is unfortunately required. (WMP12 comes out of the box with Win7)

Conclusion: read v2.4 (because there are few out there already) but write v2.3 only. - At least as long as WMP12 is in the picture.

Second conclusion : not writing v2.4 means not using the excellent taglib library. Or am i missing something? it's hard to believe that such a great lib is excluding - without optional settings - such a share of users (WMP users i mean).

I would greatly appreciate if anyone can confirm or correct this.

Thanks!
Francois Chabloz


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From peter.siciliano at beatport.com  Thu May  3 18:37:23 2012
From: peter.siciliano at beatport.com (Peter Siciliano)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:37:23 -0600
Subject: [ID3 Dev] id3v2.4 and Windows Media Player (WMP)
In-Reply-To: <1BDF3AE3-B9E7-4BA6-8C80-E2880AAE143C@kde.org>
References: <7B5406DB-FFC5-4063-B30A-742CC1A35F8A@beatport.com> <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com> <D344FB0B-9E23-40D5-A9DD-FAA84FEA0B83@infomaniak.ch> <1BDF3AE3-B9E7-4BA6-8C80-E2880AAE143C@kde.org>
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On May 3, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Scott Wheeler wrote:

> What Windows did or didn't do was irrelevant.  That said, I see WMP as the Internet Explorer 6 of music players and cringe a bit seeing people tiptoe around its failure to implement a standard introduced 12 years ago.

Agreed.
Speaking to what we are working on.
I am not going to hold back on sharing a ton of very useful data in an open format because others don't want to implement simple solutions to read the tags or want to fight to create a closed format just for the themselves (or to license).
Fortunately, my users are unique and need the info to do their jobs (not just because they want their iTunes library to look cool). 
Our users will adopt whatever tools and technologies keep up with the times and give them the value they need to grow and expand as Artists. 
On top of that, our industry is receptive (and responsive) to this and given the opportunity to work with an open format (not one developed by one of their competitors) I'm confident reading appropriate tags will be embraced and will likely add the custom tags we will be providing.

In time perhaps others will find value in them and choose the read them as well.
I'll provide the info to this group of course.

P.
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From fchabloz at infomaniak.ch  Fri May  4 00:59:58 2012
From: fchabloz at infomaniak.ch (Francois Chabloz)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 09:59:58 +0200
Subject: [ID3 Dev] id3v2.4 and Windows Media Player (WMP)
In-Reply-To: <1BDF3AE3-B9E7-4BA6-8C80-E2880AAE143C@kde.org>
References: <7B5406DB-FFC5-4063-B30A-742CC1A35F8A@beatport.com> <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com> <D344FB0B-9E23-40D5-A9DD-FAA84FEA0B83@infomaniak.ch> <1BDF3AE3-B9E7-4BA6-8C80-E2880AAE143C@kde.org>
Message-ID: <A362D414-471B-4449-9B2A-1B3330247003@infomaniak.ch>

> 
>> not writing v2.4 means not using the excellent taglib library.
> 
> The current source on github (not released yet) can write 2.3.

Thanks Scott, i'll have a look. and thanks for the great lib!


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From peter.siciliano at beatport.com  Tue May  1 13:40:31 2012
From: peter.siciliano at beatport.com (Peter Siciliano)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:40:31 -0600
Subject: [ID3 Dev] ID3 - Is this community still active?
In-Reply-To: <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7B5406DB-FFC5-4063-B30A-742CC1A35F8A@beatport.com> <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2849058F-85E1-4472-AC31-F8B46559A944@beatport.com>

Excellent.
On it.
Thanks.
:-)
++
Peter Siciliano | CTO
Beatport | Play with music
-----------------------------------------------
2399 Blake Street Suite 170
Denver, Colorado USA 80205
tel:    +1.720.932.9103
fax:   +1.720.932.9104
direct:  +1.303.565.2690

On May 1, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Dan O'Neill wrote:

> Yes, there are people on this list. There is a github repository which will accept pull requests for review and potential incorporation.
> 
> https://github.com/organizations/id3
> 
> I would really appreciate anyone and everyone's assistance in incorporating changes into newer revisions of the standard.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Peter Siciliano <peter.siciliano at beatport.com> wrote:
> Hi ID3 Mailing list,
> 
> Is this community still active?
> 
> We are about to heavily utilize ID3v2.4 for a project currently in Alpha and would like to know if others still review and moderate this format.
> 
> I would also like to propose reviewing the v2.4 documentation to clean up some language now that time as dictated more clarity to some tag descriptions and irrelevance to others.
> 
> I will be pointing vendors and suppliers to this documentation in the coming months and would like it to be as simple as possible to understand how to use tags effectively.
> 
> ++
> Peter Siciliano | CTO
> Beatport | Play with music
> -----------------------------------------------
> 2399 Blake Street Suite 170
> Denver, Colorado USA 80205
> tel:    +1.720.932.9103
> fax:   +1.720.932.9104
> direct:  +1.303.565.2690
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From wheeler at kde.org  Thu May  3 16:34:06 2012
From: wheeler at kde.org (Scott Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 01:34:06 +0200
Subject: [ID3 Dev] id3v2.4 and Windows Media Player (WMP)
In-Reply-To: <D344FB0B-9E23-40D5-A9DD-FAA84FEA0B83@infomaniak.ch>
References: <7B5406DB-FFC5-4063-B30A-742CC1A35F8A@beatport.com> <CACCnszG9ye4kH6c5+-63xTFBrzr-y4iwj-coHttTXJAxZtcZug@mail.gmail.com> <D344FB0B-9E23-40D5-A9DD-FAA84FEA0B83@infomaniak.ch>
Message-ID: <1BDF3AE3-B9E7-4BA6-8C80-E2880AAE143C@kde.org>

On May 3, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Francois Chabloz wrote:

> not writing v2.4 means not using the excellent taglib library.

The current source on github (not released yet) can write 2.3.

> it's hard to believe that such a great lib is excluding - without optional settings - such a share of users (WMP users i mean)

TagLib was a Linux-only library for most of its lifetime and was originally designed as such.  What Windows did or didn't do was irrelevant.  That said, I see WMP as the Internet Explorer 6 of music players and cringe a bit seeing people tiptoe around its failure to implement a standard introduced 12 years ago.

-Scott
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