[ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion

[Pat Furrie]

Tom,

Now, I don't know if Tim's suggestion is workable.  But he does bring up a 
problem he's at least giving some thought to solving, and I'm certain other 
people have had this as a problem with which to deal.  It's the sort of 
thing that brought about the ratings codes in movies (quite some time ago) 
and ratings on TV (more recently).  I've got kids of my own who I want to 
have some way of helping distinguish which music is appropriate.

You've pointed out a couple of challenges.  Perhaps you could provide some 
constructive analysis.  Devil's advocate is too easy; anyone can do that.  
But as they say, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the 
problem.  Tim isn't looking for why it won't work, he's looking for ways to 
make it work.

Tim: I'd like to see a set of method with more granularity than just "adult" 
or not.  "Adult" is a bit slippery, and is defined differently by different 
people.  However, the existance of certain key words and concepts are more 
objective.  You might want to look at how TV has done ratings, and model it 
after that.  This way any "adult content" tag methodology could leverage the 
methods already adopted, and be more universal across media types (meaning, 
not just audio files).

We could nay-say and do nothing, or we can get off our butts and do 
something.  Even if something doesn't work, I'd rather have tried to make it 
work than not.

Fail fast, succeed sooner.

Pat


>From: "Tom Sorensen" <tsorensen at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: id3v2 at id3.org
>To: id3v2 at id3.org
>Subject: Re: [ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:20:40 -0400
>
>If you want a new Genre, just make one. There is no list of
>pre-defined genres for ID3v2. You'd then have to modify whatever
>player to not play any music that belonged in that genre (and see
>below for the issues with that).
>
>But that's not what you really want. You want a flag that a music
>player would have to check before playing (or, since you seem
>concerned about the title, before even displaying). Certainly
>possible; there are other similar flags in the ID3v2 spec currently.
>
>I'll go ahead and object to it as pointless though. Since:
>
>A) nobody implements anything like this in current players (software
>or hardware), and it would be 3-5 years before that would change (and
>that's being optimistic; more likely it would never be implemented.
>ID3v2.4 is 5 years old now and still has very low uptake),
>
>B) it would be completely trivial to bypass and/or disable anyway
>since you cannot prevent someone from changing the tag (or removing it
>entirely).
>
>Tom Sorensen
>
>On 9/15/06, Tim Reinarts <tim_reinarts at soniqcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Do you have any provisions in the latest spec for adding an "adult 
>>content"
>>genre category?
>>
>>
>>
>>I would propose that such a tag would allow parents to control the content
>>being used by their children.
>>
>>
>>
>>Media player manufacturers can then implement a feature that allows 
>>parents
>>to prevent the player from accessing files with an Adult Content genre.
>>
>>
>>
>>It concerns me that some of the most popular content on many sites like
>>MTV's URGE are songs with explicit titles.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Tim Reinarts
>
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