[ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion

[Pat Furrie]

Ben,

That information is more helpful.  Still, what might be the holdup in 
getting those databases to carry that kind of info?

Pat


>From: "Ben Allison" <benski at winamp.com>
>Reply-To: id3v2 at id3.org
>To: id3v2 at id3.org
>Subject: Re: [ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:58:33 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Pat, et al.
>
>Microsoft's ASF tagging system has a "Parental Rating" tag that is
>supposed to contain text like "G" "PG", "R" (aka the MPAA movie ratings).
>
>Even just an 'explicit lyrics' flag might work.  At least in the US, some
>CDs are sold with such a sticker - might even be a legal requirement.
>
>Implementing it in a player is pretty trivial.
>
>Getting databases like CDDB or FreeDB to start carrying the information
>could be difficult.
>
>Getting people who distribute content online to start using the flag is
>the real challenge.
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Now, I don't know if Tim's suggestion is workable.  But he does bring up 
>a
> > problem he's at least giving some thought to solving, and I'm certain
> > other
> > people have had this as a problem with which to deal.  It's the sort of
> > thing that brought about the ratings codes in movies (quite some time 
>ago)
> > and ratings on TV (more recently).  I've got kids of my own who I want 
>to
> > have some way of helping distinguish which music is appropriate.
> >
> > You've pointed out a couple of challenges.  Perhaps you could provide 
>some
> > constructive analysis.  Devil's advocate is too easy; anyone can do 
>that.
> > But as they say, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the
> > problem.  Tim isn't looking for why it won't work, he's looking for ways
> > to
> > make it work.
> >
> > Tim: I'd like to see a set of method with more granularity than just
> > "adult"
> > or not.  "Adult" is a bit slippery, and is defined differently by
> > different
> > people.  However, the existance of certain key words and concepts are 
>more
> > objective.  You might want to look at how TV has done ratings, and model
> > it
> > after that.  This way any "adult content" tag methodology could leverage
> > the
> > methods already adopted, and be more universal across media types
> > (meaning,
> > not just audio files).
> >
> > We could nay-say and do nothing, or we can get off our butts and do
> > something.  Even if something doesn't work, I'd rather have tried to 
>make
> > it
> > work than not.
> >
> > Fail fast, succeed sooner.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >>From: "Tom Sorensen" <tsorensen at gmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: id3v2 at id3.org
> >>To: id3v2 at id3.org
> >>Subject: Re: [ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion
> >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:20:40 -0400
> >>
> >>If you want a new Genre, just make one. There is no list of
> >>pre-defined genres for ID3v2. You'd then have to modify whatever
> >>player to not play any music that belonged in that genre (and see
> >>below for the issues with that).
> >>
> >>But that's not what you really want. You want a flag that a music
> >>player would have to check before playing (or, since you seem
> >>concerned about the title, before even displaying). Certainly
> >>possible; there are other similar flags in the ID3v2 spec currently.
> >>
> >>I'll go ahead and object to it as pointless though. Since:
> >>
> >>A) nobody implements anything like this in current players (software
> >>or hardware), and it would be 3-5 years before that would change (and
> >>that's being optimistic; more likely it would never be implemented.
> >>ID3v2.4 is 5 years old now and still has very low uptake),
> >>
> >>B) it would be completely trivial to bypass and/or disable anyway
> >>since you cannot prevent someone from changing the tag (or removing it
> >>entirely).
> >>
> >>Tom Sorensen
> >>
> >>On 9/15/06, Tim Reinarts <tim_reinarts at soniqcast.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Do you have any provisions in the latest spec for adding an "adult
> >>>content"
> >>>genre category?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I would propose that such a tag would allow parents to control the
> >>> content
> >>>being used by their children.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Media player manufacturers can then implement a feature that allows
> >>>parents
> >>>to prevent the player from accessing files with an Adult Content genre.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>It concerns me that some of the most popular content on many sites like
> >>>MTV's URGE are songs with explicit titles.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>
> >>>Tim Reinarts
> >>
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