From ctempleton3 at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 17:04:38 2008 From: ctempleton3 at gmail.com (Charles A. Templeton III) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:04:38 -0600 Subject: [ID3 Dev] popularimeter tag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a819a10811251704m5e9a6f09xc0823c152367e46c@mail.gmail.com> I did a google search for 'support for "popularimeter tag"' and the first result is a forum post about how that a program called Mediamonkey supports the popularimeter tag. Also, appears from the post that with a little manuplating that the program Mp3tag can do the same thing. Granted these are windows based programs. If these programs do not work i suggest that you also swithc hout POPM for "popularimeter tag" as this is the actual programitic tag name. -Charles On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Brendan Kehoe wrote: > Hello > > I would like to store ratings of mps songs in the id3 tag of the files. > Please > can you tell me is there any software preferably for linux that uses the > popularimeter tag to do this or is there a better way? > > Thanks very much > Brendan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brendanfromireland at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 11:23:50 2008 From: brendanfromireland at gmail.com (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [ID3 Dev] popularimeter tag Message-ID: Hello I would like to store ratings of mps songs in the id3 tag of the files. Please can you tell me is there any software preferably for linux that uses the popularimeter tag to do this or is there a better way? Thanks very much Brendan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From fiji at ayup.limey.net Tue Nov 18 09:52:11 2008 From: fiji at ayup.limey.net (Ben Bennett) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:52:11 -0500 Subject: [ID3 Dev] iTunes 2.4 Frame Length Issues Bug seems to be fixed in iTunes 8 In-Reply-To: <778041152@web.de> References: <778041152@web.de> Message-ID: <20081118175211.GA16150@ayup.limey.net> Oh hooooray!!! -ben On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 05:32:04PM +0100, Erol Dumm wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > I'm new in this Mailing List. > > I registered to tell you that the iTunes 2.4 Frame Length Issues Bug described in http://www.id3.org/iTunes [http://www.id3.org/iTunes] seems to be fixed in iTunes 8 > > > > Regards > > Erol > > > > > > Der WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > *http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071&distributionid=000000000066* [http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071&distributionid=000000000066] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From humanzz at hotmail.com Sat Nov 29 23:43:18 2008 From: humanzz at hotmail.com (Ahmed Sobhi) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:43:18 +0200 Subject: [ID3 Dev] Suggestion For having multilingual id3 tags Message-ID: Hello, I'm a software developer but I'm not at all experienced with id3 tagging system from a developer's perspective. I'm facing a problem as a user and I just wanted to share that problem and propose how I want it to be solved. I'm Egyptian so part of my mp3s collection is for Egyptian and Arab artists. The problem is with the songs, albums titles and artists names. I'd like to see them in Arabic. I know that this is possible with unicode and for sure that works quite well for me. I'm talking about storing the names in multiple languages, like having an artist's name in arabic and english. For example, I have an artist called " ?? ?????" and in English she is called Um Kalthoum. I'd like to be able to search in my music library with either names. A also believe that each can be used in a proper context 1.. The original artist's language (in my case arabic) because it's only logical to do so 2.. English as a current universal standard I think it'd be a great feature for those whose first language is not English. So what I'm suggesting is to allow some fields to be stored with different language versions. So there will Artist (english): Um Kalthoum and Artist (arabic): ?? ????? The same can co for album and title and any other fields that can expose such behavior. What do you think? Regards, Ahmed Sobhi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trent.arms at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 17:58:22 2008 From: trent.arms at gmail.com (Wyatt) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:58:22 -0500 Subject: [ID3 Dev] popularimeter tag In-Reply-To: <6a819a10811251704m5e9a6f09xc0823c152367e46c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a819a10811251704m5e9a6f09xc0823c152367e46c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I probed into this a while back, though never had the chance to really dig deeper. I know I noted that there are often two statistics kept for that, one a heuristic score (generally) based on play count and duration and one a manual rating. I'm curious, which are you looking at? Also, I recall that POPM seems to include an email address field...to verify, that's not essential to fill in, correct? -Wyatt On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 20:04, Charles A. Templeton III < ctempleton3 at gmail.com> wrote: > I did a google search for 'support for "popularimeter tag"' > and the first result is a forum post about how that a program called > Mediamonkey supports the popularimeter tag. > Also, appears from the post that with a little manuplating that the program > Mp3tag can do the same thing. Granted these are > windows based programs. If these programs do not work i suggest that you > also swithc hout POPM for "popularimeter tag" as this is the actual > programitic tag name. > > -Charles > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Brendan Kehoe < > brendanfromireland at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I would like to store ratings of mps songs in the id3 tag of the files. >> Please >> can you tell me is there any software preferably for linux that uses the >> popularimeter tag to do this or is there a better way? >> >> Thanks very much >> Brendan >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stroganov.a at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 12:23:37 2008 From: stroganov.a at gmail.com (Anton Stroganov) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:23:37 -0800 Subject: [ID3 Dev] Suggestion For having multilingual id3 tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d6a96c10811301223w4e40214fv128cbe33fe38eeee@mail.gmail.com> Yup. Same idea I suggested on this list back in Jun 07, see the ensuing discussion on http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.id3v2/437 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.id3v2/442 Not sure what to suggest, other than writing up a spec, releasing some patched code to the id3 library and trying to get people to start using it. Seems like the main spec is pretty much frozen, nobody's developing it, and any significant changes are application-specific using PRIV frames. On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Ahmed Sobhi wrote: > Hello, > I'm a software developer but I'm not at all experienced with id3 tagging > system from a developer's perspective. > I'm facing a problem as a user and I just wanted to share that problem and > propose how I want it to be solved. > I'm Egyptian so part of my mp3s collection is for Egyptian and Arab > artists. The problem is with the songs, albums titles and artists names. I'd > like to see them in Arabic. > I know that this is possible with unicode and for sure that works quite > well for me. > > I'm talking about storing the names in multiple languages, like having an > artist's name in arabic and english. > For example, I have an artist called " *?? ?????*" and in English she is > called Um Kalthoum. > I'd like to be able to search in my music library with either names. > A also believe that each can be used in a proper context > > 1. The original artist's language (in my case arabic) because it's only > logical to do so > 2. English as a current universal standard > > > I think it'd be a great feature for those whose first language is not > English. > > So what I'm suggesting is to allow some fields to be stored with different > language versions. > So there will Artist (english): Um Kalthoum and Artist (arabic): *?? ????? > * > The same can co for album and title and any other fields that can expose > such behavior. > > What do you think? > Regards, > Ahmed Sobhi > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trent.arms at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 11:26:33 2008 From: trent.arms at gmail.com (Wyatt) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:26:33 -0500 Subject: [ID3 Dev] popularimeter tag In-Reply-To: <4D1B17C7-0E0D-43E0-A30A-F54AE7658795@mp3tag.de> References: <6a819a10811251704m5e9a6f09xc0823c152367e46c@mail.gmail.com> <20081126022044.GA22198@ayup.limey.net> <4D1B17C7-0E0D-43E0-A30A-F54AE7658795@mp3tag.de> Message-ID: Oh? I seem to recall (about ten years ago, at this point, but...) that WMP also allowed for half-stars. Did they remove that, or do they just not give their tag enough granularity? I sort of feel personally that rather than a single limitlessly-large number, POPM would be better served having separate score and rating fields (as a number of players seem to have both). -Wyatt On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 13:49, Florian Heidenreich wrote: > > Am 26.11.2008 um 03:20 schrieb Ben Bennett: > >> That said, I don't know of any player that uses it. iTunes stores the >> ratings in the DB that gets synced between the iPod and iTunes. It >> appears nowhere in the files :-( >> > > IIRC, Windows Media Player can be configured to store the rating in the > files. > > In Mp3tag, you can then access this rating directly using the RATING WMP > field (where you can enter rating from 1 to 5 or even as stars from * to > *****). There is also a RATING MM for MediaMonkey specific ratings and > POPULARIMETER as generic rating field. > > Kind regards, > Florian > > -- > Mp3tag - the universal Tag editor > http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org > For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Erol.Dumm at web.de Tue Nov 18 08:32:04 2008 From: Erol.Dumm at web.de (Erol Dumm) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:32:04 +0100 Subject: [ID3 Dev] iTunes 2.4 Frame Length Issues Bug seems to be fixed in iTunes 8 Message-ID: <778041152@web.de> Hi Everybody, I'm new in this Mailing List. I registered to tell you that the iTunes 2.4 Frame Length Issues Bug described in http://www.id3.org/iTunes [http://www.id3.org/iTunes] seems to be fixed in iTunes 8 Regards Erol Der WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! *http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071&distributionid=000000000066* [http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071&distributionid=000000000066] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From id3v2 at northpb.com Fri Nov 21 08:30:24 2008 From: id3v2 at northpb.com (Dan O'Neill) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:30:24 -0800 Subject: [ID3 Dev] iTunes 2.4 Frame Length Issues Bug seems to be fixed in iTunes 8 In-Reply-To: <778041152@web.de> References: <778041152@web.de> Message-ID: <4926E220.8000502@northpb.com> Erol Dumm wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I'm new in this Mailing List. > > I registered to tell you that the iTunes 2.4 Frame Length Issues Bug > described in http://www.id3.org/iTunes seems to be fixed in iTunes 8 > Erol, Thanks for the update. I think there are some people from Apple on this list. Can any of you confirm this? Thanks, dano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From support at mp3tag.de Wed Nov 26 10:49:29 2008 From: support at mp3tag.de (Florian Heidenreich) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:49:29 +0100 Subject: [ID3 Dev] popularimeter tag In-Reply-To: <20081126022044.GA22198@ayup.limey.net> References: <6a819a10811251704m5e9a6f09xc0823c152367e46c@mail.gmail.com> <20081126022044.GA22198@ayup.limey.net> Message-ID: <4D1B17C7-0E0D-43E0-A30A-F54AE7658795@mp3tag.de> Am 26.11.2008 um 03:20 schrieb Ben Bennett: > That said, I don't know of any player that uses it. iTunes stores the > ratings in the DB that gets synced between the iPod and iTunes. It > appears nowhere in the files :-( IIRC, Windows Media Player can be configured to store the rating in the files. In Mp3tag, you can then access this rating directly using the RATING WMP field (where you can enter rating from 1 to 5 or even as stars from * to *****). There is also a RATING MM for MediaMonkey specific ratings and POPULARIMETER as generic rating field. Kind regards, Florian -- Mp3tag - the universal Tag editor http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From treaves at silverfieldstech.com Sun Nov 30 11:24:15 2008 From: treaves at silverfieldstech.com (Timothy Reaves) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:24:15 -0500 Subject: [ID3 Dev] PCNT question Message-ID: <92BD0EEC-41D7-4A68-89B2-F068D01973FF@silverfieldstech.com> This is a great example of what is wrong with ID3 specification. The 2.4 version of the write-up shows this as 4.16. Play counter This is simply a counter of the number of times a file has been played. The value is increased by one every time the file begins to play. There may only be one "PCNT" frame in each tag. When the counter reaches all one's, one byte is inserted in front of the counter thus making the counter eight bits bigger. The counter must be at least 32-bits long to begin with.
Counter $xx xx xx xx (xx ...) Now, there are several possible ways to interpret this. Most of the libraries seem to just read it as a 32bit int, but that's just wrong. The way I interpret it is it's an arbitrary width uint. So at the outset, it's a 32bit uint, and when that is full, it becomes a 40bit uint, etc. I've subscribed to this list for a while now, and people have questions on the current spec's. But the spec's never are updated for errors or ambiguities. Is it really a dead spec, as everyone else (with meta data libraries) is saying? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org From fiji at ayup.limey.net Tue Nov 25 18:20:44 2008 From: fiji at ayup.limey.net (Ben Bennett) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:20:44 -0500 Subject: [ID3 Dev] popularimeter tag In-Reply-To: References: <6a819a10811251704m5e9a6f09xc0823c152367e46c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081126022044.GA22198@ayup.limey.net> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 08:58:22PM -0500, Wyatt wrote: > Also, I recall that POPM seems to include an email address field...to > verify, that's not essential to fill in, correct? It is there so that the same file can have multiple popularity entries. Think of it as a unique string for a user... there is no obligation to actually use a real email address. That said, I don't know of any player that uses it. iTunes stores the ratings in the DB that gets synced between the iPod and iTunes. It appears nowhere in the files :-( -ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: id3v2-unsubscribe at id3.org For additional commands, e-mail: id3v2-help at id3.org