[ID3 Dev] Labels And Release Number

Brian Mearns bmearns at coe.neu.edu
Wed Nov 2 16:50:55 PST 2005

I don't have any particular opinion for or against adding these frames 
to the spec, but I do have some other comments:

The ID3v2.4.0 spec has been around since late 2000, but as far as I know 
most major digital media players still base their parsing and writing of 
tags on the 2.3 standard. Even there, they do not support most of the 
frames clearly and precisely defined in the 2.3 standard. My point is 
this: the id3 crew seems to get stuff going pretty quick so lets even 
say every done decides to add these frames to the spec, and they 
complete the revised standard to include these tags by the new year. My 
guess is, you wouldn't see these changes in too many media players till 
2008 easy. Even by then, especially if these are tags as you said which 
are primarily of import to independent musicians/labels, you probably 
aren't going to find too many folks as Microsoft (for example) eager to 
dredge up so old code out of CVS to implement the changes in the standard.

I don't mean that to be a discouragement, because by that logic, nothing 
would ever get done. But it is something for you to consider if you're 
looking at this as a short term solution to something. If it's a 
relatively private issue, like you want to catalog your own collection 
by these tags, you might consider using the User defined text 
information frame: [http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0.html#sec4.2.2] or 
(probably better) the private information frame: 


Robot Gunslinger wrote:
> I am currently using the genre field for storing label information,  so 
> I can browse
> them within iTunes.
> TPUB and TSRC are not really what I meant. The TSRC is an ISO  standard 
> while catalog numbers
> are handled by Labels themselves. Here are some examples.
> Ghostly International (Electronic Music) uses GI-xx for Ghostly  
> International releases and SPC-XX
> (for Spectral Sound) for their more technoid music releases.
> http://www.ghostly.com/1.0/ (click on Catalog).
> same with Moor Music
> http://www.morrmusic.com/ (under releases)
> and also heavily put do use by netlabels
> http://www.netlabels.org (list of netlabels)
> Almost every small label (that is everyone not owned by Sony and Co.)  
> is heavily relying on
> catalog numbers. Some releases / catalog numbers that are out of  print 
> are highly valuable
> something that is the case with some early Warp Records  
> (www.warprecords.co.uk).
> Also publishers and labels aren't really the same, with many indie  
> labels using publishing / distributing channels
> of bigger labels, since they can't afford to do it themselves.
> This might all sound very niche like, but it really isn't. Those  small 
> independent labels represent
> the musicians that redefine what music is and highly influence the  
> cultural aspect of
> music in general and almost every good music publication (print or  
> online) are concentrating on
> those "good" records.
> Again, I really think that this should be added to the ID3  
> specifications and I don't think
> I am alone here. A lot of people think that this is a feature that is  
> clearly missing from the
> id3 tag specification.
> Am 02.11.2005 um 19:39 schrieb James J. Williams:
>> I agree, there should definitely be a standardized Label field, some
>> programs (NI Traktor) store a Label field, I'm not sure what the  
>> field is
>> named in the tag but that would be easy enough to find out, anyhow  
>> for now
>> I've resorted to storing label information in the album field...  It's 
>> not
>> pretty but it works.
>> - JW
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robot Gunslinger [mailto:robot.gunslinger at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:14 AM
>> To: id3v2 at id3.org
>> Subject: [ID3 Dev] Labels And Release Number
>> One thing that always bugged me about id3 is it's inability to provide
>> a field for "Label" and "Release Number".
>> It's especially annoying if you're a fan of electronic or indie
>> music, where
>> where labels (netlabels or otherwise) still are of importance,
>> especially for collectors.
>> I am not a programmer and I don't know if this feature has already  been
>> implemented in the latest release, but judging from the most common
>> mp3 players, I guess it hasn't.
>> I am sure this can't be too hard to integrate and would be a very
>> useful feature
>> for Netlabel releases and adding the possibility to defining the
>> Label and the Catalog Number of an id3 tagged music file sure is an
>> valid
>> addition to the metadata capabilities of the id3 standard, so please
>> guys
>> just put it in there.
>> cheers
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