[ID3 Dev] Tags for classical music

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

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My question is how classical music could be supported best.

I've seen some comments within the comparison of different tag formats on
http://age.hobba.nl/audio/tag_frame_reference.html


Special needs for classical music are

* artist and related instrument
  or either artist or instrument

* composer - already within TCOM

  (but it does not split first and last name explicitly?)

Classical music can be categorized in multiple ways.

One would be e.g. by the composer's own ordering, such as

* concert number

   concerto 11 for piano and orchestra
   cantata 2
   etc.

   This ordering might require alphanumeric sorting, since one composer
   may have 'cantata 2', '2nd clarinet concerto' and 'piano concerto 2' 
   which might sort as e.g. 02can, 02-cl and 02-p.

For some composers later research created an additional ordering of all
works, such as

   Bach: Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis
   Mozart: Köchelverzeichnis

This could be kept within an

* opus number

A logical consequence would be to include

* year of composition

Nice to have:

* chord (minor/major)

The track title itself may be one of many variations. Example: 'concerto',
'concerto for piano', 'piano concerto', 'concerto for cembalo and orchestra'
etc. all may be variations of the same piano concerto. There may be even
more variations across different languages. Thus it's helpful to have a

* reference title  which is normalized for personal usage (e.g. using
  'Symphonie' as typical for one composer, while another one used
  'Sinfonie'.

   Different language settings might open a huge field of further options.
   This would require e.g. a notation of the used language and the
   knowledge of all variations. I feel that this should be kept out
   of the ID3 tag - it's a simple external database operation to convert
   titles or composer names to the locally preferred writing


All of this may require some ID3 tag extensions. Much of this could be
applied to other music and audio files as well.

However, there's one very special mechanism for classical music which I do
not understand yet: Classical music is organized many times in movements.

Example:

CD1 contains

 "Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 20 d-moll"
 Track 1: 1: Allegro
 Track 2: 2: Romance
 Track 3: 3: Rondo. (Allegro assai)

 "Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 21"
 Track 4: 1: Allegro
 Track 5: 2: Andante
 Track 6: 3: Prestoprontotrallala

Another CD2 may contain:
 Track 1: "Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 21" - 2: Andante
 Track 2: "Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 20 d-moll" - 1: Allegro


I'd like to see this info e.g. sorted and categorized as

  Composer: Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus
    Concerto: 20
      "Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 20 d-moll"  [CD1]
         1: Allegro                                      [CD1-01]
         2: Romance                                      [CD1-02]
         3: Rondo. (Allegro assai)                       [CD1-03]
      "Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 20 d-moll"
         2: Andante                                      [CD2-02]

This would require hierarchical mechanisms which tracks are sons of a higher
level sub-playlist.

This may be useful not only for classical music, but e.g. for audio books,
for live concertos etc. I'm not sure whether the concept of TIT1, TIT2, TIT3
is sufficient here.


What's the actual status and recommendation for classical music?

Thanks,
Martin - Germany

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