[ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion

[Brian Mearns]

 >Tim isn't looking for why it won't work, he's looking
 > for ways to make it work.

Spoken like a true manager.

Personally, I have minor objections to this as a matter of principle; 
it's a minor form of censorship, though granted it's no worse than the 
V-chip and similar technologies. But sheltering your kids from the world 
isn't protecting them. Even if you prevent them from playing certain 
songs because of language of "adult-themes", they're still going to be 
exposed to it else where; on tv, in movies, from their friends, 
siblings, class-mates, &c. The important thing is to teach your kids the 
difference between what they see or hear, and what's appropriate for 
them to say or do. And no amount of sheltering will make up for good 
parenting. Now I know that sounds very high and mighty, and I'm not 
trying to accuse anyone of being a bad parent; I understand there's a 
lot of scary stuff out there and we want to protect our kids from it. 
But like I said, they're going to be exposed to it one way or another, 
and hiding it from them, not addressing the real issue, is only going to 
make it harder to cope with when they finally are.

Alright, so that was less ID3 and more rant. Come down to it, like Tom 
said, you can't possibly prevent someone from editing the file they've 
downloaded. If this system really did take off, it wouldn't take more 
than a few days before download.com is filled with freeware apps to 
disable to flag, and blogs all over the web have instructions on how to 
do it in note pad.

-Brian Mearns

Pat Furrie wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> Now, I don't know if Tim's suggestion is workable.  But he does bring up 
> a problem he's at least giving some thought to solving, and I'm certain 
> other people have had this as a problem with which to deal.  It's the 
> sort of thing that brought about the ratings codes in movies (quite some 
> time ago) and ratings on TV (more recently).  I've got kids of my own 
> who I want to have some way of helping distinguish which music is 
> appropriate.
> 
> You've pointed out a couple of challenges.  Perhaps you could provide 
> some constructive analysis.  Devil's advocate is too easy; anyone can do 
> that.  But as they say, if you're not part of the solution, you're part 
> of the problem.  Tim isn't looking for why it won't work, he's looking 
> for ways to make it work.
> 
> Tim: I'd like to see a set of method with more granularity than just 
> "adult" or not.  "Adult" is a bit slippery, and is defined differently 
> by different people.  However, the existance of certain key words and 
> concepts are more objective.  You might want to look at how TV has done 
> ratings, and model it after that.  This way any "adult content" tag 
> methodology could leverage the methods already adopted, and be more 
> universal across media types (meaning, not just audio files).
> 
> We could nay-say and do nothing, or we can get off our butts and do 
> something.  Even if something doesn't work, I'd rather have tried to 
> make it work than not.
> 
> Fail fast, succeed sooner.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
>> From: "Tom Sorensen" <tsorensen at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: id3v2 at id3.org
>> To: id3v2 at id3.org
>> Subject: Re: [ID3 Dev] Genre suggestion
>> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:20:40 -0400
>>
>> If you want a new Genre, just make one. There is no list of
>> pre-defined genres for ID3v2. You'd then have to modify whatever
>> player to not play any music that belonged in that genre (and see
>> below for the issues with that).
>>
>> But that's not what you really want. You want a flag that a music
>> player would have to check before playing (or, since you seem
>> concerned about the title, before even displaying). Certainly
>> possible; there are other similar flags in the ID3v2 spec currently.
>>
>> I'll go ahead and object to it as pointless though. Since:
>>
>> A) nobody implements anything like this in current players (software
>> or hardware), and it would be 3-5 years before that would change (and
>> that's being optimistic; more likely it would never be implemented.
>> ID3v2.4 is 5 years old now and still has very low uptake),
>>
>> B) it would be completely trivial to bypass and/or disable anyway
>> since you cannot prevent someone from changing the tag (or removing it
>> entirely).
>>
>> Tom Sorensen
>>
>> On 9/15/06, Tim Reinarts <tim_reinarts at soniqcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any provisions in the latest spec for adding an "adult 
>>> content"
>>> genre category?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would propose that such a tag would allow parents to control the 
>>> content
>>> being used by their children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Media player manufacturers can then implement a feature that allows 
>>> parents
>>> to prevent the player from accessing files with an Adult Content genre.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It concerns me that some of the most popular content on many sites like
>>> MTV's URGE are songs with explicit titles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tim Reinarts
>>
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